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- Subject: Forth FAQ: Programmable BBS Information. (l/m 07.Nov.93)
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- Date: 15 Dec 93 01:39:54 GMT
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- Last-modified: 07.Nov.93
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- [This is a message that I thought deserved to be preserved.
- I invite Mr. Peters or other principles to provide updates to
- replace this message.
- -dwp]
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- [I have made some minor formatting changes. -dwp]
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- From: jpeters@wet.COM (John A. Peters)
- Subject: Programmable BBS report etc.
- Message-ID: <5827@wet.UUCP>
- Date: 31 Oct 93 01:55:45 GMT
-
-
- Notes and thoughts
- by
- John A. Peters
-
- Having sat back and passively read and enjoyed the net for a
- while, I thought I might as well write in and report and some odd
- thoughts before dialing in for the news this time.
-
- THE PROGRAMMABLE BBS has retired at it's old location in Novato
- CA. Many thanks to our system operator Levi who provided the
- hardware and his time and efforts. Thanks also to the North Bay
- Forth Interest Group for funding the cost of installation of the
- phone line and the first two or so months of phone charges. To
- all those who called in, please stay tuned for a new phone number.
-
- Tomorrow, Sunday I have an appointment with a long time Forth
- Programmer named John Cassady and his son, here at my home. I
- will demonstrate the use of EZY.COM a share ware BBS system that
- offers QWK mail packets and doors. John has volunteered his
- interest in running the system on his hard ware in Oakland CA.
-
- Switching to EZY.COM, from the Wild Cat System, will finally allow
- the "Programmable BBS" to be somewhat programmable. The new
- program has source for the menus and the command structure of the
- menus. These items can be put on line. Also on line will be a
- menu program called ANSI DRAW which builds menus and another
- program called DOORWAY which some how sets up a door. Both
- doorway and ezy.com use a Fossil driver. Our next step(s) will be
- to get the door system to be operational and on line.
-
- The purpose of the DOOR program is to allow a DOS program to be
- run remotely. For example there is a Forth Language BBS that is
- called F-BBS. It is compiled on F-PC and includes source. With
- the door in operation F-PC could be one of the choices on the
- menu. Other programs have been submitted.
-
- They are "Baby" from B0b Lee and "The Fig Tree BBS" from Mary Bell
- aka Lady Bacardi. "Ariel BBS" from Al Mitchell (not the author?)
-
- Mail readers using the QWK mail packet format:
-
- "SLMR" Silly Little Mail Reader
- "King Qwk" mail reader
-
- Now we are getting programmable! (What do you think?)
-
-
- On another note:
-
- IMO Jeff Fox's dissertations on the evolving of the P-21 chip and
- his exchanges with Charles Moore are highly enlightening and very
- interesting and are of the type of message that I want to
- encourage here on the net. Keep it up Jeff! :-)
-
- At the last Silicon Valley meeting Chuck brought his latest chip
- which he demonstrated. It had no case and was powered by a
- variable voltage heath kit power supply. The power leads were
- pushed in to plated through holes with out benefit of solder.
-
- Chuck answered my question by saying "if you solder them then you
- have to unsolder them when you want to move them" The chip was
- very reluctant to fire up and had to be prompted numerous times
- (50 or 100 times) by shorting the reset line against a capacitor
- leg. Finally it started on the 48 inch monitor at the meeting and
- displayed the color bars in al their glory.
-
- In his presentation he shared with us that the presence of the
- color bars is proof of a lot of success and that many parts and
- circuits are properly working. It really was quite impressive and
- a big crown gathered at the end of his presentation. Chuck went
- in to the details of the soft ware of which I am not expert enough
- to elaborate on.
-
- The other speaker was our out of town guest who last spoke ten
- years ago when he released F83X which is an extension of the F83
- system of that year.
-
- This year Wil Baden showed a Forth system based on ANS forth with
- exceptions to the standard. I was impressed with the fact that
- many more words work nicely regardless of the mode. That is to
- say that they work both via the interpreter and the compiler.
- Words such as IF ELSE THEN DO LOOP CASE and so on. It includes
- words that will call "C" libraries and other features that will
- advance the state of the art. Money is secondary in this release
- but he is not distributing it till the documentation book is
- completed. The soft ware will be included on a disk in the back
- of the book. Projected price is $25.00
-
- Let me encourage you all to sit down at the keyboard and enter a
- message for the net. Most of us are passive readers. I find the
- only way I can get myself to respond is to write my thoughts
- before I call the net, other wise I am filled with others ideas
- and don't get around to responding unless I can find a system that
- enables an off line reader.
-
- In that light I am still shocked that I can't find any one who has
- an off line mail reader for DOS. I have browsed other conferences
- and asked a few questions an nothing has turned up. The best off
- line reader I have experienced used the QWK mail packets and was a
- function of the Computer Continuum which has since ceased
- operations in SF although the parent system still runs in LA which
- is a bit far for my budget.
-
- Long range one of the goal of the "Programmable BBS" may be to get
- a feed of the Forth Net for our system. B0b Lee in novato had
- previously offered us a feed that sounded to be some what of a not
- automatic operation. When we get on line we may ask for
- opportunities for a feed. We also may use the Programmable BBS to
- archive the "best of Forth messages" so that persons new to Forth
- can get up to speed.
-
- End
-
-
- Mr. Peters is an Electrical Contractor who wrote and uses an
- estimating system every day which is written and compiled in
- Forth. He has been using and enjoying Forth since 1981 and was
- the F83 disk librarian in 1983. He can be reached at (415)
- 239-5393 voice and Fax at 585-1245 or as
- ---
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